      *      *                   *     *                          *
      **     *                   **   **                          *
      * *    *             *     * * * *          *          *    *
      *  *   *   *****  *******  *  *  *   *****  ******  ******* ******
      *   *  *  *     *    *     *     *  *     * *     *    *    *     *
      *    * *  *******    *     *     *  *     * *     *    *    *     *
      *     **  *          *     *     *  *     * *     *    *    *     *
      *      *   ******    *     *     *   *****  *     *    *    *     *
      *                                                                 *
      *         The monthly guide to BITNET servers and services        *
      *                                                                 *
      *  Volume 1  Number 5                              November 1986  *
      *                                                                 *
      *  Editor:                           Chris Condon BITLIB@YALEVMX  *
      *                                                                 *
      *  Bitnotes .................................................. 1  *
      *  Announcing TexMaG ......................................... 3  *
      *  The New File Server UBSERVE@UBVMSA ........................ 4  *
      *  More Questions Answered ................................... 4  *
      *  The Unlicensed Zone ....................................... 8  *
      *  Relay and Compuserve CB Chat User Survey .................. 9  *
      *  New Mailing Lists ........................................ 11  *
      *  Feedback ................................................. 14  *
      *                                                                 *
      *                          ~                                      *
      *       [ @ /             /*[                                     *
      *     ^( /*[ )^           ***                                     *
      *    $                    [*/                                     *
      *     ^( [*/ )^         ___V___                       + ] +       *
      *       / @ [          ][[  [[ ]                    /  []/  [     *
      *                      ] [[  [[]                      + ] +       *
      *                      ]  [[  []    [  []/  /       [  /][  /     *
      *           + ] +      ][  [[  ]                      + ] +       *
      *         *-[[]//-*    ][[  [[ ]    /  /][  [                     *
      *        > +--+--+ <   ] [[  [[]      + ] +                       *
      *         *-//][[-*    ]  [[  []                                  *
      *           + ] +      ][  [[  ]        ____        _[ A /_       *
      *                      ][[  [[ ]       /    [      [  [Y/  /      *
      *                                     ((    ))             =+>    *
      *          ____________[_______/_______[____/      /_ /A[ _[      *
      *  jro     [_______________________________/         / V [        *
      *                                                                 *
      *******************************************************************

      A complete  list of  servers and  services is  available  from  any
      NETSERV file server as the file named BITNET SERVERS. News, article
      submissions,  additions  to  the  list  of  servers  and  services,
      subscription requests, and Letters to the Editor  should be sent to
      BITLIB @ YALEVMX.  (ARPANET: BITLIB%YALEVMX.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU)
      Subscribers  to NetMonth  are  also  sent BITNET  SERVERS  updates.

      Printing this file:  VM users  can print  this  magazine  with page
      breaks by first copying or renaming it to NETMONTH LISTING and then
      printing   that  file  with  your  local  file  printing   command.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------

      FuzzyBytes Electronic Publishing              "Because We're Here."
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   *************************************************************************
  * Bitnotes                                                        Issue 5 *
  ***************************************************************************

  To be  honest,  I  couldn't  think  of  much  to  mention in  this  month's
  Bitnotes...  because  nothing  much  was  happening.  There  were  bits  of
  interesting news arriving in my  electronic mailbox,  but not  the  exiting
  items of  which scathing  (or  at least  interesting) editorials  are made.
  Luckily, at the last moment, I received this:

   =========================================================================
   Received: by BITNIC (Mailer X1.23b) id 1280; Wed, 19 Nov 86 14:59:34 EST
   Received: by UTCVM (Mailer X1.23) id 4839; Wed, 19 Nov 86 14:57:21 EST
   Sender:       (JEFF@UTCVM) via List Processor 
   Reply-to:     Distribution List 
   From:         JEFF@UTCVM
   Subject:      Public Relay Clone
   To:           CHRIS CONDON  (Distribution: UG-L)

   Without going  into the  long background,  there is a publicly  available
   Relay EXEC floating around and multiplying.  It started  at DDAESA10, the
   the author's node, and has appeared on UMCVMB, INDYCMS,  and other sites.

   This version  is *not* Relay, nor an old version of Relay; I have checked
   the code and it is a  scratch version  (I won't critique it).  It does no
   node checking, service area checks, time  checks,  nor does  it currently
   link to its peers.  It is basically a straight,  old-style chat  with the
   command and output format cloned from the 'real' Relay.  I have seen logs
   of the DDAESA10 one being 'linked' to others  but this is not the version
   that is going around.

   Now, it is not for me to say "Oh, lets squash this vile creature" or make
   any decisions regarding any action to take.  However, I want it clear and
   quite plainly understood that  I am in *NO* *WAY* affiliated with it, and
   I don't want any complications  caused by this  affair to be construed as
   a reflection on the 'real' Relay servers.

   Please feel  free to  forward this  information to  whatever  appropriate
   people you deem necessary.

   =========================================================================

  Now, Jeff is  very kind  not to  suggest  that  these  old-style  chats  be
  squashed, considering that these servers undermine all of the  work that he
  and and many others put  into Relay over  the course  of more  than a year.
  Needless to say,  I will  not be  listing these  Relay-impostors in  BITNET
  SERVERS.

  Therefore... if you hear  of one of these  old-style Chat  machines running
  at a  nearby  node,  ignore  it.  Better  yet,  bring it  to the  attention
  of an  operator or  system administrator at that node.  You  will be  doing
  yourself, your friends, and the BITNET community a big favor.
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  Speaking of Relay, in this issue of NetMonth you will find a  questionnaire
  for  Relay  and  Compuseve CB  users by  John Cook.  You are  encouraged to
  complete the survey and return it to UD118169@NDSUVM1.  If John permits, we
  will print  the  results  in a  future issue.  Thanks to Oren Yulevitch for
  suggesting that I print the questionnaire.

  ***************************************************************************

  Another intersting piece of mail:

   =========================================================================
   Received: by BITNIC (Mailer X1.23b) id 3448; Tue, 18 Nov 86 16:12:09 EDT
   Date:         Tue, 18 Nov 86 16:08:25 EDT
   Sender:       (EXCMTE@BITNIC) via List Processor 
   Reply-to:     Distribution List 
   X-From:       BITNET Executive Committee 
   Subject:      FINAL TALLY ON BITNET CHARTER VOTE
   To:           CHRISTOPHER CONDON  (Distribution: LIAISON)

   The following note was originally sent by  Ira Fuchs, the Chairman of the
   BITNET Executive Committee, to the BITNET Institutional  Representatives.

   - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

   FORWARDED MESSAGE 11/17/86 09:46 FROM FUCHS: Election results

   The final tally for the vote on the BITNET charter was:

                                 137 YES
                                  45 NO

   These votes come from more  than  80% of  the 224  eligible institutions.
   The Executive Committee will be meeting on December 3rd at Newark Airport
   to proceed  with the  EDUCOM agreement, the process for election of the 6
   Executive  Committee  members,  and  a variety  of  other issues.  BITNET
   institutional representatives are invited to attend.  An  announcement of
   the meeting together  with a tentative agenda will be sent to the current
   BITDIRS list.

   =========================================================================

  Last month the BITNET Executive Committee answered your questions, and this
  month they will  answer  some  more.  The article  is appropriately titled,
  "More Questions Answered  by the  BITNET Executive  Committee". Once again,
  thanks to Judy Molka for allowing me to print these articles.

  ***************************************************************************

  Other Good Stuff...

  Don Hosek has started editing TeXMaG, a  new electronic magazine for  users
  of the TeX computer typesetting program.  We'll have a preview  of that, as
  well as a look at a new magazine known as "The Unlicenced Zone".
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  We'll have a  look at  UBSERVE@UBVMSA, the  second file server running on a
  VAX (the first was KERMSRV in Toronto).

  Don't forget  to read the Feedback  column, because there is a letter there
  from Michele Robinson about some changes to CSNEWS@MAINE.

  Thanks to Frank Ford and Alex Nishri for  this notice:  There is a new list
  list server at University of Toronto (LISTSERV@UTORONTO). Which reminds me,
  somewhere in this issue is the ever-popular article on new mailing lists.

  Until next time...                        + ] +       In terra
                                          [  []/  /     pax
                   Chris                     hominibus
                   BITLIB@YALEVMX         /  /][  [     bonae
                                            + ] +       voluntatis


   *************************************************************************
  * Announcing TeXMaG                                                       *
  ***************************************************************************

                             Announcing TeXMaG:

  An electronic  magazine for users of the  TeX computer typesetting program.

  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

                        First Issue: December 7, 1986

                              Proposed Contents:

                       Examples on learning to use TeX.
                          Advanced TeX programming.
             A forum for problems, inquiries into  availability
                       of software and macro packages.
             Announcements of new formats and macros available,
                   including publication of shorter macros.

  Hopefully, a  centralized file  server will be  set up for  distribution of
  Public Domain TeX macros, utilities, etc...

  Send subscription requests,  article submissions, letters, and comments to:

  Don Hosek 



                                   + ] +
                                 *-[[]//-*
                                > +--+--+ <
                                 *-//][[-*
                                   + ] +
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   *************************************************************************
  * The New File Server UBSERVE@UBVMSA                                      *
  ***************************************************************************

  James R. Gerland  has set up a  file server at the State  University of New
  York at Buffalo, UBSERVE@UBVMSA.  It responds to the following commands:

  SEND . - sends a certian file.  For example:

                               SEND FOR016.DAT

  DIR                        - sends a list of available files


   *************************************************************************
  * More Questions Answered               by The BITNET Executive Committee *
  ***************************************************************************

  Q6.   Suppose a  large institution also has a TCP/IP  backbone network with
  good connectivity among  its host computers and is  already pushing ARPANet
  access to the supercomputers,  etc.   What will be the cost of using BITNET
  only via an ARPA gateway?

  A6.   It  is important  to keep in  mind that  ARPANet use,   although less
  restricted than before,  is not totally open.   Specifically,  although NSF
  may  open  ARPANet  up  to  use  by  scientists  requiring  access  to  the
  supercomputer centers,  there is no plan currently which would open ARPANet
  to the social sciences, humanities, or university administrators.  Q7.  Why
  does the proposed  Compact have EDUCOM voting members on  the Policy Board,
  with EDUCOM being the sole executive agency for BITNET?

  A7.  EDUCOM retains the financial risk of the BITNIC.   If members drop out
  of BITNET,   or the fee  structure fails to  raise enough revenue  to cover
  expenses,  EDUCOM must cover the deficit.   The converse,  however,  is not
  true:   if the fee structure overrecovers,   EDUCOM must escrow the surplus
  against  future  BITNET  expenses.    The   EDUCOM  Board  of  Trustees  is
  justifiably  concerned about  a financial  exposure.    The sole  executive
  clause moderates  this risk by at  least guaranteeing that while  EDUCOM is
  doing any  work for BITNET,   it will have the  opportunity to do  all work
  BITNET is sub-contracting.

  Further,  the EDUCOM Board has a legitimate  concern that the BITNIC not be
  set in such a way that it cannot succeed.  Both of these issues mean EDUCOM
  needs to  protect its own interest  with BITNET.   The  Executive Committee
  agreed,  and felt that adding two EDUCOM  votes to an 11 member board would
  not shift control, but would allow for appropriate influence.



                                  _[ A /_
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  Q8.  How will performance of the BITNIC be monitored?

  A8.   It  is critical that  BITNIC be  accountable to BITNET,   including a
  strong  mechanism for  providing the  Executive Committee  and BITNIC  with
  feedback as to what is going well  and what could be improved.   This point
  has been heard,  and will be  reflected specifically in the revised charter
  and compact.

  Q9.   How will fees  be set "to meet the expenses  estimated by EDUCOM" for
  carrying out the services requested by the Policy Board?

  A9.    The  sentence "On  the  basis  of  this  plan and  other  supporting
  documentation,  the Policy  Board will conduct a full review  of all BITNIC
  services."  was specifically  included to make clear that  the Policy Board
  can drop services proposed by the BITNIC.

  Q10.  Why will EDUCOM hold the registration of BITNET?

  A10.    BITNET has  no legal  standing  and therefore  cannot register  the
  trademark.   It  was the  opinion of  the Executive  Committee that  EDUCOM
  registering the name and promising it to BITNET in the event of dissolution
  was preferable  to one of  the schools doing  so,  or worse,   a commercial
  enterprise grabbing it  before we decided what  to do.   If the  Compact is
  dissolved,  BITNET  will clearly  have to contract  with or  create another
  legal entity which could then become the caretaker of the name.

  Q11.  Why is a full year required to cancel the compact?

  A11.   Abrupt  dissolution of  the compact would  be catastrophic  for both
  organizations (as it would  be today without a compact)  -  there will be a
  high incentive on both parties to find  a satisfactory solution in the case
  of a serious impasse.    The sense of the Executive Committee  was that the
  one year was acceptable.  Again, EDUCOM is taking a risk, because BITNET is
  not a legal entity, and if it simply abrogated the Compact,  EDUCOM's legal
  recourse is not obvious.   First and foremost,  this relationship relies on
  the good  faith of the BITNET  community.   A successful  relationship will
  require regular communication, hence the Policy Board,  including EDUCOM in
  the discussion process.

  Q12.  Apparently,  alternate  proposals for a BITNIC have  been proposed by
  several academic institutions.    Have these been considered  by the BITNET
  Executive Committee?  What is their status?

  A12.  Interest has  been expressed in alternatives to  the BITNET Executive
  Committee's proposed  BITNIC.   None of  this interest has  been translated
  into a  full-scale proposal,  though one  does outline some services  and a
  proposed budget.  The main concern in all cases has been budgetary.

  The budget proposed for the BITNIC has been carefully scrutinized.   It has
  been measured against  the network support budget of CSNET  and against the
  staffing  of EARN  and  has fared  extremely  well.    Questions about  the
  overhead charges,   stemming from lack of  information on the part  of some
  members of the BITNET community,  have  been more than adequately addressed
  (see QUES01 EXCOMM on NICSERVE.
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  In the judgment of the current Executive Committee, an EDUCOM-run BITNIC is
  the best choice at this time.  If serious alternate proposals are made at a
  future  date to  a newly  constituted  committee,  they  will receive  full
  consideration.   (Such proposals will be encouraged  and open to formal bid
  from the entire BITNET community following  this first cycle of formalizing
  BITNET.)

  The claim being made, without substantiation,  is that a BITNIC based at an
  academic institution is inherently less  expensive than the BITNIC proposed
  by the Executive Committee.   The only  suggested budgets we have seen have
  been sketchy  and have  figures that  seem clearly  to reflect  centralized
  subsidies in  the form of "giving  away overhead."  Only when  a full-scale
  budget  and  service  offering  is  proposed  and  documented  can  a  cost
  comparison and true evaluation of alternatives be made.

  However,  budgetary  considerations are  not all  there is  to a  proposal.
  There are  also the services  being offered,   the priority given  to these
  services, and the level of accountability of the service organization.

  The BITNIC  services proposed by the  Executive Committee are what  we have
  judged, after many hours of deliberation, to be the minimal set of services
  required to keep BITNET running and to  allow for the addition of new nodes
  and new  members.   The range of  services proposed constitutes a  cut from
  what is in  fact being provided now.   Any alternate  proposal must justify
  that  the  services  offered  are  sufficient to  meet  the  needs  of  the
  networking  community and  not just  the  needs of  small,  albeit  active,
  segments of  that community.   No  suggestions to  date in any  way address
  those issues.

  At  an academic  institution,   BITNIC services  would  be  one among  many
  priorities,  and clearly less rather than more if push comes to shove.   By
  contrast, the Executive Committee's proposed EDUCOM-run BITNIC will succeed
  or fail  based solely  on the performance  of a  set of  administrative and
  computing professionals whose only job is to provide BITNIC services.

  The  notion  of  priorities  can  also   be  approached  from  a  different
  perspective.  The services offered to BITNET must be network-wide services,
  conceived and  implemented with  the broader interests  of BITNET  in mind.
  Those  representing academic  institutions  have  an inherent  conflict  in
  representing local versus network-wide priorities, especially when those at
  higher administrative levels are backing local concerns.  Basing the BITNIC
  at EDUCOM would reduce the likelihood of such conflicts.

  Finally,  a BITNIC based at an academic institution - to the extent that it
  is  centrally  subsidized,   partly  volunteer,  and  a  part  of  a  large
  organization - falls  short on accountability.   A BITNIC  housed at EDUCOM
  would  be funded  solely  by membership  fees and  would  be a  substantial
  component of its  parent organization.   EDUCOM is already  funded in large
  part by  membership fees  and has  a high  stake in  maintaining successful
  working  relationships  with  academia  for   almost  all  of  its  current
  activities.   The accountability of an EDUCOM-run BITNIC extends throughout
  the institution itself.
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   *************************************************************************
  * The Unlicenced Zone                                                     *
  ***************************************************************************

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  $*************************************************************************$
  $*                                                                       *$
  $*                        THE  UNLICENSED  ZONE                          *$
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          "An experiment in online publishing" edited by Paul McGinnis
                              (MCGINNIS@MIRRIM)

  Message from editor of The Unlicensed Zone:

  What we've got here is a newsletter that will be published once in a while.
  I don't  even know  how many issues  there will be.   Somehow,  if  you are
  reading this, you got on the mailing lists.  Goddess only knows why you are
  there!   If you  wish to be taken off  the list or if you  are reading this
  from  somewhere  else   and  would  like  to  subscribe,    leave  mail  to
  MCGINNIS@MIRRIM (that's on Bitnet for those of you who didn't know).  "What
  is this?" you are probably saying to yourself...UNLICENSED ZONE is a random
  collection of opinion, gossip, misc.  ravings, libelous remarks, etc.  User
  contributions gratefully accepted,  but you get full credit (or blame)  and
  the only  editing I  might do  is for reasons  of size.   If you  feel like
  calling the President of the US a fascist from Mars, you will be allowed to
  do so...after all,this is a FREE PRESS...Meese Commission take note!

  ***************************************************************************

  Message from the editor of NetMonth:

  To give you a taste of the sort of things  you will see in  TUZ, here is a
  a sample.  I am NOT responsible for this...

                                 DETERIORATA

  Go placidly amid the noise and waste,
  And remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
  Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
  Rotate your tires.
  Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself,
  And heed well their advice -- even though they be turkeys.
  Know what to kiss -- and when.
  Remember that two wrongs never make a right,
  But that three do.
  Wherever possible, put people on 'HOLD'.
  Be comforted, that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment,
  And despite the changing fortunes of time,
  There is always a big future in computer maintenance.
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   *************************************************************************
  * Questionnaire for Relay and Compuserve CB Users            by John Cook *
  ***************************************************************************

  I am studying  the prevailing  community standards  for the use  of  "chat"
  services,  such  as  the  university-sponsored RELAY.  I am  doing  this in
  support of the  course  requirements for  a graduate  level  Ethics  class.
  You have been  contacted because of the likelihood of  of you  being a user
  of RELAY or of some other "chat" service.

  In the  event you are a  "chat" user, I  would  be  interested  in  knowing
  your  views on various rules of conduct  that might  be applied to  the use
  of "chat" services.  In  addition,  I would  like  to  know  how  much  you
  value some of the actual and potential benefits of these services.

  Place this questionnaire  in your file  editor  and enter your responses by
  typing  A, B, C or D in the  left  hand column.   There  are  no  right  or
  wrong  answers,  only  certain  choices  that you believe  in  rather  than
  others.

  Once you   have  completed   the  questionnaire,  please  send   it  to me,
  John Cook (UD118169@NDSUVM1) as a  file or as  a letter.  Do NOT, I repeat,
  do NOT send your questionnaire answers to the NetMonth editor!!!!!

  The confidentiality  of your  participation will  be ensured by  discarding
  your  name  and  any  other  identifying  information  in  the  process  of
  storing the data.  The findings  of this  study will be  made available  to
  all respondents.


  SECTION I:

  How strongly do you believe the following rules ought to apply?
  ___________________________________________________________________________

  A. not at all        B. somewhat        C. strongly        D. very strongly
  ___________________________________________________________________________

  ____ 1. Users should not present themselves as someone other than
       who they really are.

  ____ 2. Users should register their true names and identities
       before signing onto the system.

  ____ 3. Users should not use "handles" or "nicknames" that are
       sexually provocative.

  ____ 4. Users should not share the details of their own intimate,
       personal relationships on a public channel.

  ____ 5. Users should not share the details of other people's
       intimate personal relationships on a public channel.
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  ____ 6. Four-letter swear words or profanities of any kind should
       not be used.

  ____ 7. Users should not "scan" private channels or otherwise
       attempt to break in on private conversations.

  ____ 8. Users should not pursue face-to-face meetings with other
       users, unless the other users also want to meet.

  ____ 9. Users should show good judgement in sending messages and
       should stop sending them when others find them offensive.

  ____ 10. Users should not knowingly use another person's "handle"
       or "nickname".


  SECTION II:

  How much  do you  (or would  you, if it were  possible) value the following
  benefits of a CB or chat service?
  ___________________________________________________________________________

  A. not at all        B. somewhat        C. strongly        D. very strongly
  ___________________________________________________________________________

  ____ 1.  experimenting with taking on identities not my own

  ____ 2.  making one or two good friends

  ____ 3.  meeting people to whom I am sexually attracted

  ____ 4.  getting free advice about computers

  ____ 5.  finding out about people in different parts of the world

  ____ 6.  being able to say things I might not otherwise say

  ____ 7.  sharing sexual fantasies with others

  ____ 8.  finding out about other people's personal lives

  ____ 9.  being on an equal footing with all other users

  ____ 10. being able to pass time or break away from routine

  ____ 11. sharing information related to professional interests

  ____ 12. sharing information about non-work related interests

  ____ 13. finding a partner in a long-term romantic relationship

  ____ 14. having large numbers of friends
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  SECTION III:

  YOUR AGE: _______  SEX: ___  OCCUPATION: ______________________

  HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION: ____________________________________

  I AM A:  1.___ a RELAY user          2.___ a PSYCHNET subscriber
           3.___ a member of COMSERVE  4.___ a COMPUSERVE CB user
           5.___ a NetMonth subscriber

  Thank you for your participation.

                   John Cook


   *************************************************************************
  * New Mailing Lists                                                       *
  ***************************************************************************

  P4200@DEVVAX.TN.CORNELL.EDU

  This  list is  for discussion of  Proteon's  P4200-series gateway products.
  Topics  include capabilities,  bugs, bug fixes,  and also the generation of
  lists of requirements for Proteon.

  All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions,
  etc., should be sent to P4200-REQUEST@DEVVAX.TN.CORNELL.EDU.

  Coordinator: Scott Brim 

  ADVISE-L%CANADA01.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU

  Unmoderated mailing  list intended  for discussion among students  who work
  part-time at the various university  computer centers.  It  is particularly
  intended for  people who work as  student advisors or consultants, although
  others are welcome.  Another use of  the list is to get help from others on
  problems that might be encountered, or to let users   know about new things
  such as new file servers, so that  everyone can put the network to the best
  possible use.

  The  list  is served  by 5 servers:  ADVISE-L@UTORONTO,  ADVISE-L@CANADA01,
  ADVISE-L@NCSUVM, ADVISE-L@UGA, and MD4F@CMUCCVMA.  These  servers  are peer
  linked so that  anything  sent to  one  will  be the  others automatically.
  ADVISE-L@NCSUVM  is probably the closest server to the WISCVM ARPA gateway.


  To subscribe to the list:

      From a VM site on BITNET type:

      TELL LISTSERV at CANADA01 SUBSCRIBE ADVISE-L Your_Full_Name

      where Your_Full_Name is your real name (not your userid).
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      From a VMS BITNET site use the SEND/REMOTE command.

      If you are at  a site  not on BINET  or  you  cannot  send  interactive
      messages you can send a mail message to:

      LISTSERV%CANADA01.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU

      where the first non-header line consists of:

      SUBSCRIBE ADVISE-L Your_Full_Name

  Please refer any questions to the Coordinator.

  Coordinator: Scott Campbell 


  COMPOS01@ULKYVX

  The Composition  Digest is a moderated  weekly  newsgroup for  the study of
  computers  and writing, specifically  writing instruction in computer-based
  classrooms.  It is intended  to be a forum for writing professionals (those
  who use  computers for  their writing) and  computing  professionals (those
  who design the hardware and software that writers  depend upon) to meet and
  discuss issues  relevant to  both fields, but  notes are  also welcome from
  novice computer  writers.  There is interest in articles pertaining to, but
  not limited by, the following topics:

      Human/Factors research and writing environments
      Text editor design
      Natural Language adjuncts to writing instruction
      Writing without paper
      Psychological effects of computer writing/instruction
      Composition theory applied to computer-based instruction
      Anecdotal accounts of computer writing experiences
      Using the NET in the classroom
      Computer-based conferences
      Public domain software for the classroom
      Reviews of writing and editing packages
      Conference announcements and proceedings
      Telecommunications and its effects on language
      Computers and the soft sciences
      Computers and hearing impaired students
      Computers and learning disabled students
      Computers and basic writers
      Computers and humanists
      Computers and writing professionals

  All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions,
  etc., should be sent to COMPOS01@ULKYVX.
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  ESPERANTO@LLL-CRG.ARPA

  A forum  for  people  interested  in  the  neutral  international  language
  Esperanto.  Discussions about the language itself, the Esperanto  movement,
  publications, and news are encouraged.  f course, discussion *in* Esperanto
  is especially encouraged, although  English  translations may  be advisable
  when the material is of interest to beginners or non-Esperantists.

  All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions,
  etc., should be sent to to ESPERANTO-REQUEST@LLL-CRG.ARPA.

  Coordinator: Mike Urban 


  HANDHELDS@SRI-STRIPE.ARPA

  Mailing  list for  those  who  are  interested  in  handheld  computers  or
  programmable  calculators.  The mailing list  can be used  to distribute or
  request programs.  Messages are not moderated at this time.


  All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions,
  etc., should be  sent to HANDHELDS-REQUEST@SRI-STRIPE.ARPA

  Coordinator: David Edwards 


  INFO-PROTEON@UXC.CSO.UIUC.EDU

  For discussions about Proteon network products: the P4200 IP level gateway,
  protocol  converters  (DECnet  TCP/IP,  etc), 80 Mbit  hardware, etc.
  Discussions about network topologies  for making best use  of Proteon rings
  will be  encouraged.  Other topics  include vendor  relations, source  code
  availability, implementation details, etc.

  All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions,
  etc., should be sent to INFO-PROTEON-REQUEST@UXC.CSO.UIUC.EDU

  Coordinator: Paul Pomes 



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  Everything has changed around a little bit on CSNEWS.  Many new  disks have
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  For instance to get copies of VM/COm you have to do:

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  all CSNOTICES are now on the CSBB disk and you would have to a:

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  the COMDISK works the way it always did.

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